These shorts fit extremely well, are tough and have high quality construction, but extraordinarily comfortable. tried on the folsom and union shorts. which are end up looking more loose and baggy.. these look 'fitted' and more athletic. Natoma all the way. Natoma shorts are just as good riding four hours in the saddle on a a local climbing road bike loop (Alpine Dam, Mt. Tamalpais), or walking down to coffee shop on a sunday. this is why i bought myself a second pair.. one for active cycling when i want pockets and the more casual cycling look.. one for street wear, in San Francisco. Love em..